More posts from the AnalyzeWarzone community, This sub is for discussing anything warzone related. There are only 4 types of loadouts: A meta loadout, a sniper loadout, a shotgun loadout, and a Perk Centralized loadout. Effective Even At Longer Ranges Good control allows SA87 to reliably hit targets further away then most weapons. AK or Grau or Ram or whatever. Mono reduces ads of SA87 by 41ms, which is a lot, compensator not only helps recoil a lot more compared to ARs, it doesn't punish ADS at all. I elaborated my points about suppressor in this topic:https://www.reddit.com/r/CODWarzone/comments/iui0gi/monolithic_suppressor_viability_analysis/. SA87 is no exception to that, its barrel offers minuscule 5% reduction, so to compensate for this deficiency I slapped Compensator on it instead of mono and damn, the result is incredible. A pattern I observed with LMGs is that they tend to have decent default recoil and less random bounce but their long barrels offer next to no recoil reduction, so on AR you can reduce recoil more. Also, slow ADS makes tac mandatory for most LMGs. VAL's short mag is a lot less problem, when you have primary AR that slaps almost as hard as AMAX at close range. As for head glitchers, you have so many bullets you can generally prefire and be fine. The best Warzone loadouts are: AUG & … SA87 literally does twice more damage than M4 and the likes at range. The SA87 was my first love back when Modern Warfare was released (before the days of Warzone). With 50 mag though it is 2.3% faster than AMAX but not worth it to me. You can absolutely spray people 150 meters away and if you have good visibility and control your recoil perfectly, it is the fastest way to kill but visibility is often bad o enemy head glitches or you have bad aim day, tap fire in such cases is a viable option at extreme ranges. Good to see someone else not think that mono+longest barrel is the only way to build a gun in warzone. Now that I addressed SA87's potential with compensator on, I can compare recoil. Here are the disadvantages that turn me off PKM big time: That's an obvious one, 100 mag is a huge advantage but if you were unfortunate to run out mid fight, you may end up in quite a pickle. Even though I made AMAX very accurate, moving or strafing enemy at long range can be a nightmare to deal with. With SA87 you have to land 5 limb/stomach shots and no headshots to have your TTK increased, so 700ms TTK is a very real number that you will get in vast majority cases, if you land all shots. Amax no stock is still a must for SMG purpose: go mini/corp holo, 45, 5mw, stippled, no stock. Please go to r/CODLoadouts. Big fan of the SA87. You can use it either when low on ammo or when dealing with enemies at 150-200 meters away. PKM sprint to fire is 62ms slower. By the time you need to reload, whole squad is already wiped. Let's be honest, LMGs in Call of Duty Modern Warfare are actually … Peak windows, look out of cover, gather as much info as possible to make the most educated decisions, this often compromises my location, so suppressor would hardly help. it is overpowered and does a ton of damage with ZERO recoil! Playing off meta is the new meta, which is to say the days of only ever seeing a Grau 5.56 drop … Despite being difficult to control, the ODEN assault rifle can be lethal in the right pair of hands. Or are you suggesting that you should just go loud with this setup? The SA87 light machine gun (LMG) is certainly one of the best in its class and could be considered to be one of the best weapons in Warzone or Modern Warfare. And if AMAX has compensator+commando on, then SA87 vertical recoil is at least 1/3 bigger, however, side to side bounce remains as tight and it seems to even edge out AMAX. It is not for highlight clips or bragging. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. r/codwarzone and r/warzone are the places to go for bragging rights, Press J to jump to the feed. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. While you can counter it by slide canceling or jumping, you often cannot counter it fully, PKM punishes you more, those 62ms contribute towards your overall TTK in a lot of situations. The Striker 45 only makes it into the B tier. 51 head, 40 chest IIRC. Press J to jump to the feed. Or enemy we killed had no suppressor and it attracts enemy attention all the same. The best loadout for the AX-50 in COD: Warzone is typical for a sniper, focusing on stealth and weapon boosts. The Warzone player base has finally figured out the potential of the SA87, and its quickly becoming a favourite in lobbies. Give it a try! And finally, the AMAX. By extension my whole team gets caught off guard a lot less because I can warn them and my info benefits them just as much. Good analysis. Both guns have very easy recoil pattern. It’s never going to completely shred when it comes to time-to-kill, but it just feels great to wield. It requires a high level of skill because you can’t mag dump with it beyond close range. TTKs are done with long barrel but without mono. I get to react before enemy even shoots me and survive in a lot more situations. You just had to figure out where your actual reticle was but even then I had long range issues. Kind of like an Oden but with 60 rounds, I love it, use a corp combat holo sight and the recoil is very manageable. The M4A1 was the absolute meta choice for a long while in Warzone, and it’s still just as viable today. AMAX is the winner again between 58.56-62.04 but the range is so tiny that it is barely relevant. It is not meta, but it definitely is viable. It can perform steadily in most situations to full effect. The SA87 gives me so much SOCOM 2 nostalgia. Until you have to run towards something, while there is a team waiting for you ahead. Absurd and that’s why it’s meta in Warzone. Before the no stock nerf I used to go not stock, 11” barrel, merc and use the AMAX as literally an SMG. Although it is a decent weapon there are far better SMGs out there. It's definitely a beast that was slept on and probably will remain dormant cos of people's obsession with suppressors. Relying plainly on damage per body part is not enough. The Groza is a fully automatic Assault Rifle in Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War. Shared ammo is a disadvantage but with SA87 this disadvantage is not as big compared to M4/RAM7/M13/Grau/Kilo. This bolt delay consistently hurts your TTK. Check out our best Warzone SA87 loadout for the ideal setup. Type fire option can, aslo, come in handy to conserve ammo at extreme ranges. Yep, recoil wise it is definitely ok. And the fact that with compensator it is more accurate than any setup of AMAX is ridiculous. Don't post videos unless it is the topic of discussion! The overall impact of swapping mono for compensator or anything else is nowhere as good compared to SA87. The FAL's recent nerf makes it one of the AR's with the most damage output in the entire game, with a little setback in the form of a slightly lower reload … Hot New Top Rising. You should always pair it with an SMG. An odd bug has been identified in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare by users across Reddit and on Twitter about using weapon charms in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare. At the same time headshots are a lot more rewarding, e.g: single headshot can decrease your TTK to 500. The times are not 100% down to […] Here are ten of the best Warzone loadouts, as well as the best Season 2 meta setups to help you fight to victory. So damn strong. In fact I feel even more consistent than with AMAX's compensator/commando setup. And thanks to both superior and forgivable TTK I am able to kill each enemy consistently faster than with any other AR. If you're good you can make it work, but there just are better options. I have different opinion about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AnalyzeWarzone/comments/iydw3x/monolithic_suppressor_viability_analysis/. I have 2 set ups, one longer range with additional recoil control, the other more AR set up for faster ADS. With the right setup however, these disadvantages can be fixed. I am not using mono on AMAX, I replaced mono with compensator and together with commando I get by far the most accurate AMAX. My philosophy is simple, I don't like leaving things to chance. SA87 has new free blueprint "Covet of Night" and it is quite decent. The gun is still decent without compensator but like in case with AMAX higher skill requirement turns people off and SA87 is harder to justify over AMAX. It's probably let down by its slow rate of fire. M4A1 Warzone loadout drop. Also, skilled players rarely react to mark on the map cos it requires to run across open space and can easily get you killed, they tend to choose slow approach and by the time they reach my location, I may be completely elsewhere. AMAX's 762ms requires you to either land all chest shots or have headshots mixed in, otherwise even a single limb shot increases your ttk to 857ms and limb shots at long range are often unavoidable. Having stippled on is a huge advantage, it reduces ads by good amount: 37ms(12ms for AMAX) and sprint to fire by 71ms, so you can play a lot more aggressive. Because SA87 is a high calibre gun with bad recoil and slow ads, it benefits a lot more from attachments in general, so taking off mono can benefit it more than guns like M13/Kilo/Grau or even M4/RAM7. Learn about this gunsmith, unlock level! [Warzone] The ULTIMATE juggernaut slaying weapon...the EBR-14. This SA87 class setup is the best for season 6 of Modern Warfare Warzone! Bruen Firebrand Unlock: Call of Duty Battle Royale Discussion: 1: Nov 12, 2020: Bruen Is GONE! It kills juggernauts in 10 headshots, and if you have your entire squad firing away, it will kill him almost instantly. When enemies have 200,150 or 100 hp, AMAX is more forgivable but it remains the fact that against fully armored enemy you have to land chest shots or have headshots mixed in to get that 476ms number. I've been trying it in Solos for a couple of days and it's been really effective against enemies. Raven Software and Infinity Ward mentioned in the new patch notes that there were some adjustments to the circle and gas closing times in Warzone, but did not provide actual numbers of changes. The Best ODEN Loadout For Warzone. This is the best setup that turns SA87 into potent long range AR. Bottom line SA87 is probably the best weapon in terms of ammo efficiency, thus, the best AR to pair with VAL. Update 1.20 has been out for 3 or 4 days now and lots of hidden changes have been found added in the update but not mentioned in the patch notes. Per images and videos shown on Reddit and Twitter, using weapon charms on your weapon in Modern Warfare makes your hip-fire aim worse, which results in potential to miss more shots. Changes to warzone, changes to weapons, cosmetics and more. With great accuracy, damage, and control the PKM is the best base LMG for Warzone in Modern Warfare. It hits hard, but the ROF is pretty low. I’d rather push to a range that I know I can get a down plus a confirm, instead of down/revive/down/revive until I get third partied. Spamming is often sure way to run out of bullets and won't work against someone skilled. But to me the issue was it's insane visual recoil. Same way people justify choke on shotgun over mono. SA87 comes with tap fire option for free. I use the compensator on the AMAX, as well, and I agree about it as an SMG replacement. How much bullets you can land into stomach or limbs without your TTK being punished makes a big difference. (Please proceed with caution, this is just our own opinion on essentials and recommended attachments). I should reposition or check flanks. Both feel really comfy and have done me no harm - weakest part of my game is being a split second too slow zeroing on a target, and getting a rack of hit markers using the M13 or Kilo before being outgunned, the SA87 has helped this that. Nothing stops you from slapping compensator on PKM, however, its bullet velocity is as slow as AMAX's, so it will hold its beaming potential back. Overall SA87's TTK is a lot more forgivable than AMAX's at all ranges. The MW2 legend is back! Between 46.2-58.6 SA87 wins by decent margin. Overall, SA87 feels more accurate cos of seemingly less random side to side bounce and with better TTK and its forgiveness factor taken into account it is a clear winner. It still has the best TTK out of all LMG's, right? SA87 is an AR in every relevant sense and should be treated like one and compared to other ARs. Pairing with sniper rifle is definitely great choice too (especially with stippled grip) but you will have to sacrifice stealth due to not having suppressor, which to me personally is barely a disadvantage. The best Warzone loadouts. I always praised AMAX for doing more damage per mag compared to M4/RAM7/Kilo/Grau/M13 but SA87 takes it to the whole new level. Don't know ssbm wise but with my playstyle I rarely feel like it's a problem. Integral/canted hybrids are at 62ms but I feel the t pos apotheosis red dot is too good to give up. Slowly but surely I’ve been maxing out and then trying out every weapon we currently have in WZ. Are you not encountering these issues? 42 to the chest and 56 to the head. SA87 base feels like the big boy version of the M4 when using iron sights - hits like a dump truck but the visual recoil is pretty nuts, Its one of the best floor loot in this season, but i think there is too many better options in late game. It's too slow for an AR-LMG hybrid with a max of 60 rnds. If you use good trigger discipline and control your shots it can be very effective at medium and long range even with the shortest barrel. Now imagine you have to push, combined with sprint to fire it may take up to 129ms longer before you can even start doing some damage compared to SA87. Build 6 I changed to integral scope for the better vision. I don't know if it's my sbmm but I generally push people shooting and so do the people I generally play against. AK FUN: The versatile weapon is the base for magic. Unfortunately if you're looking for low recoil gun, the visual recoil makes it unusable in comparison. It is bad not just for individual performance but for teamwork too, often you just need to land 1-2 bullets to help down someone but you often take too long to do it. To me it's extremely competitive and I'll be using the all blacked out version with the all back HDR. SA87 is one of those weapons that I never used or tried cos I heard lots of bad stuff about it. SA87 has AR sprint to fire, so it's a tie. I feel like sprint out time for the PKM is irelevant, it is a mid/long range weapon. Not only you get 60 high calibre mag, you, also, do more damage per bullet at long range. 7 shots of SA87 do 280 damage, you have 30 damage to compensate for multiple stomach/limb shots, you can land 4 limb shots and your TTK will not be punished. Having at least one MP7 Warzone loadout up your sleeve is advisable, simply because it's the best SMG in the game right now. Overall it's really hard to feel the difference with or without suppressor for me. It doesnt excel in anything, it packs a punch but so do other LMG's. My current number 1 choice is VAL. NICKMERCS has been making a series of videos about the best guns and setups in Call of Duty: Warzone. Having 60 mag and more damage per bullet that you can actually be accurate with feels incredible, I down and thirst more people without reloading. Let’s … Does compensator hide your minimap location? Stuns, flashes, and thermite grenades are also a good way of disorienting the juggernauts while you shoot him. Also, I almost always play for info. It's simply outclassed by the PKM in every way. The SA87 takes slower than the M91 due to it only shooting at 600 RPM. SA87 recoil may seem worse cos you need to pull down and right, while with AMAX after initial few bullets it is straight down. Both velocities are with long barrels and no mono: SA87's velocity is noticeably better, still not as fast compared to Kilo/Grau//M4/RAM7/M13 but will certainly make your life easier compared to AMAX. You can be accurate up to 40-50 meters, which is far more than with mp5/mp7. I will compare the gun to AMAX, it makes the most sense despite it being LMG. SA87 reload time is slower and it can be a disadvantage at times but the fact that it does a lot more damage per mag compensates for it. Compensator in case of SA87 allows me to outperform everyone within 100-120 meters, that is a consistent benefit that will win me a lot more fights and be useful 100% of times. You end up with an AK that has far better recoil, much better mag capacity, faster TTK times and a lot more consistency. This category is dedicated to the inconsistent weapons of Modern Warfare - sometimes they're hot and sometimes they'ree not. warzone ttk reddit, So, equipping it as your secondary weapon is a great place to start. Contact me or get to know me here! The gun feels so good at range that I feel like comparing its accuracy to Kilo/Grau/M13, except it kills a lot faster. Dont think so, was using it at the beginning of my games today as floor loot and it was hitting like a truck. I gather info a lot better and reveal locations of enemies that look my direction, my biggest f you to ghost players. SA87. Twitter: https://twitter.com/SenjutsuTTV Hey! In terms of visual recoil both guns are the same. I love the write ups but I do have to say I find myself getting third or even 4th teamed when not using a suppressor. Great analysis, and always good to see someone thinking off-meta. Here are the best Warzone SA87 loadouts with attachments.We list the Recommended Setup, Essential Attachments, and two different attachment setups. Suppressor is useful circumstantially, sometimes it may help, other times - completely useless. Posted by 4 days ago [Warzone] My KAR and Ram loadout that's been crushing it. If you care about suppressor too much to let go, bad luck cos it's the only way SA87 turns from mediocre into insanely OP AR. Compensator, 25.4 barrel, 60 mag, tac laser, stippled. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/CODWarzone/comments/iui0gi/monolithic_suppressor_viability_analysis/. Well, it's apples and oranges. Using my own personal experience, stats from TGD,JGOD etc and feedback from reddit users; I’ve tried to make an accurate tier list to help the community. I bought the tacticolor 3 early months ago and loved using the SA87, got it gold back in S1/2 on rust. Here are the best attachments to use on the ODEN in Warzone. Now, a user on Reddit has provided an estimated new times for the circle closing. SA87. SA87 has slightly worse hipfire but this mechanic is completely irrelevant on long range ARs cos of how wide it is. I made noise? https://www.reddit.com/r/CODWarzone/comments/jl56ul/as_val_the_best_smg_in_the_game/. Even without teammates help you have adequate amount to down and thirst 3 people. At range it does 34 damage per bullet instead of 18, due to good accuracy and TTK forgiveness you will be even more ammo efficient. Also, ADS is faster. Also, often my teammates don't have loadout and show on the map anyway. Also, because of how it punishes a lot less for stomach/limb shots compared to AMAX, you are guarantied to get good value out of your mag. At close range AMAX kills in 6 shots with 252 damage. All Secret Warzone Features Added in 1.20 Update. As per stats AMAX is the winner up to 46.2 meters, this makes AMAX a much better option for being paired with sniper or being an outright SMG replacement, in either case its TTK allows to outperform SMGs even at closest ranges and it is a significant advantage. It was always viable. It’s damage is great too. Movement speed is measured with longest barrel and biggest mag on each. Thanks! Same story at long range. They have the same fire rate but the AMAX literally hits harder in every other way. Before it was a struggle fighting someone above 100 meters, now I can down people quick up to 150 meters away. Read this Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2020 & Warzone guide to learn more about the attachment SA87 18.2 Factory!
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